December 09, 2004
A not terribly joyous day
I had an 8:30 meeting with the client who owes the Firm a lot of money in legal fees. I explained that we could not represent him anymore. The meeting ended on an acrimonious note. I have spent the next several hours preparing an Order to Show Cause which I will present to the Commercial Division Support Office to ask the Court to stay the action to permit the client to get new counsel and to let our Firm out of any further representation.
I suppose I ought to be tougher than this, but some of the things he said I found particularly wounding. Greedy? No, unfair and untrue. I am not greedy. I do expect that bills for services rendered will be paid. I do put my clients' interests first because I am a fiduciary and I understand what that means. I don't, however, work for free and nor does the Firm. The way he called us greedy, however, left me and everyone else in the Firm thinking that the only word he left out was "Jew". It was just said in that kind of way. Maybe I'm overly sensitive here, but the impression struck me the instant he spoke it.
Breakups are messy and this one will be no exception, especially if the Firm chooses to sue the soon to be ex-client to recover the legal fees and expenses he owes.
I feel as if I've had better days, truth be told.
UPDATE
I have just returned from Court where my Order to Show Cause was accepted for filing by the Commercial Division Support Office. It has to be reviewed first by a court attorney to see whether it can be accepted, you see. As with all of these things, she told me that I'd have to come back and pick it up tomorrow morning, which I will do after my Federal Court conference across the street is over. But I tried to take it up to the judge today anyway. I pulled the court attorney to one side and explained that the reason I rushed down here, and why I don't want my name associated with the case for any more time than it absolutely has to be, is that at the conclusion of my meeting with the client today, he called me a "greedy", then he paused, "Neeeew Yoooork lawyer". When I told her that, her head shot up and she said, "gee, the only word missing from that sentence was Jew, wasn't it?" She promised to do what she could to help me get out. She also let out a bit of a whistle when she saw how much was owed.
I didn't think I was imagining it.
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If I don't pay my utilities bill and they threaten to cut me off, can I call them "Greedy" and stop them? no. So I wouldn't feel too bad about it.
Posted by: Oorgo at December 09, 2004 01:29 PM (lM0qs)
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he was wrong.
you weren't.
though i know that sometimes knowing that doesn't help...it is true just the same.
and if that was his reaction - then i think you are far better off not having him as a client anymore anyway.
and i think...you will have better days again.
no - scratch that - i know.
do you have any chocolate?
(sorry that was the pregnant talking)
Posted by: standing naked at December 09, 2004 02:29 PM (pUcLe)
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How awful! It's a nasty feeling, I can empathize.
Keep in mind that many people, when approached with something that affects them negatively, will instinctively shoot back with whatever they think will make the cause of their discomfort hurt as well. It doesn't mean he's right or that he's even reasoned out this conclusion. It's only name calling. Hurling insults are sometimes the only way in which some people can get back at you.
Posted by: Mick at December 09, 2004 03:04 PM (VhRca)
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Some people are just ignorant assholes...pardon my redneck.
Side story to the whole Jewish expression thing: I was closing on my house and the closing attorney was explaining to the buyer that his interest rate was X. The real estate agent said jokingly, "Couldn't get them to do any better?" To which the buyer replied, "I tried to Jew them down, but it didn't work." I just let it slide although I did want to pee in the corner of our bedroom before moving out.
Posted by: Howard at December 09, 2004 03:56 PM (8IlGJ)
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File this in the FWIW section:
I find the whole "entitlement" sentiment to be loathesome. Whatinhell did this client think you were doing? Working on good thoughts and special wishes? Pffft.
Hopefully, you will be let out of this entanglement soon. And good luck on suing the former client -- because it sounds to me like that's the only way you're going to get your hard-earned money out of that deadbeat.
Grr.
xoxo
Posted by: Margi at December 09, 2004 04:58 PM (rKX9f)
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You need to get off of the "greedy Jew" bit. The thought never entered my mind until you brought it up. Greedy/Greedy Jew--what is the difference? A pretty large one, I think. The fact that your client did not use the latter term counts for something, whether he wanted to say it or not.
Posted by: Basil at December 09, 2004 06:04 PM (Dla48)
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Isn't there a saying in the law "you pay for what you break?" Well, the irresponsible client broke it and that is the name of that tune. Now, he gets to learn about responsibility and business transactions. I believe that you will be a good teacher.
Happy Holidays!
Posted by: Azalea at December 09, 2004 07:47 PM (hRxUm)
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Besides being an anti-semitic moron, your customer is a thief. I don't why when it comes to services theft is looked upon in a different light, but that is what someone who doesn't pay ffor what they receive is called.
I personally wouldn't stand for anyone calling me a lawyer.
Posted by: Simon at December 09, 2004 09:35 PM (GWTmv)
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Basil, thank you for your unsolicited advice. I have no idea where you live, but I can tell you this, the four or five people in NY who I told about this immediately had the exact same reaction I had, including other non-Jews.
As for all the rest of the comments, I just wanted to say thank you. I can tell you that this incident upset me for more than I may have let on here.
Simon, I'd never call you a lawyer. Barrister, maybe, though.
Posted by: RP at December 09, 2004 09:58 PM (X3Lfs)
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Good luck with an action for fees, since those invariably come bundled with a malpractice counterclaim.
Posted by: JohnL at December 09, 2004 11:50 PM (gplif)
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You are so right, John. But we've dealt with issues like that before. He owes us a lot of money. The reason not to sue him would be that we couldn't collect on a judgment, not that he would assert a meritless counterclaim.
Posted by: RP at December 10, 2004 08:07 AM (LlPKh)
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What can you attach in NY? Here in Texas, we're not able to garnish wages (except for child-support), and in any case there's always the risk they'll throw themselves into bankruptcy.
The joys of the judgment-proof, eh?
Posted by: JohnL at December 10, 2004 12:13 PM (YVul2)
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Well, judgment collection in NY is not too bad. You are in a pretty powerful position as a judgment creditor under NY law. But, I can start by asserting a lien on the file.
Posted by: RP at December 10, 2004 12:48 PM (LlPKh)
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RP-
I have lived in New York for the past 10 years and have never heard the term "Greedy Jew" used by non-Jews (except, of course, crochety people of a certain age). My point is that you brought something into the discourse which you may have imagined. Of course, what is important is that you did //hear// "Greedy Jew," which speaks to something that your client cannot be responsible for......perhaps you should take your inquiry on to that ground.
Having lived in Greenwich Village for the past ten years might have clouded my vision......but I find that the "Jew" is an idea that does not map to its reality. Jews are not necessarily (insert characteristic here). The fact that a Jew (you?) believes that words of aggression must necessarily map to the bogeyman of being a "Jew" is misguided.
By the way, I asked my partner who is a Jew (but not Jewish) to complete the thought "Greedy __" and he had no idea what I was talking about. When I revealed to him the context of your exchange he laughed and said "some people are too sensitive." Take that for what it is worth. I might add that my partner is part of your world and may be one of your colleagues (he works at 1285 Sixth).
My "unsolicited advice" is given with the best intentions.
Posted by: Basil at December 10, 2004 01:23 PM (Dla48)
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Well, Basil, based on your explanation, I withdraw my somewhat sarcastic rejoinder. I'll just say this instead, you had to be there, I suppose. Finally, I disagree with the suggestions you make. The point was clear to any number of other people to whom I relayed the incident. Indeed, they all got it with absolutely no explanation or embellishment from me. See, e.g., the Court Attorney. So, I don't really think it was me, altough as I wrote in my first part of the post, I was prepared to at least entertain the possibility that I was being over sensitive. No more, though. His meaning was clear.
If you are unaccustomed to this sort of description or attribution, than that just speaks well of you and the people with whom you associate.
In any event, please, feel free to comment on anything you like.
Posted by: RP at December 10, 2004 02:07 PM (LlPKh)
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Excuse me, but I have heard the term "Greedy Jew" often and I'm way out here in NorCal, supposedly the very cradle of tolerance. (HA! Right...) My husband Dan grew up in NY, is now in his thirties, and he is very aware of that term as well, both then and still today.
So we are not old geezers. We're not Jewish, either, so maybe that's why we are unfortunately subject to crass and ridiculous statements like that on occasion from people who think we might think it's funny.
It's not.
I think your instincts were correct, Random. I believe your customer got so wound up emotionally from the shame of not being able to pay his bill and being let go by your firm that he was thinking of the nastiest things he could say to strike back. It's human and it's all too common but it's surely not pleasant to be a target of.
I'm sorry it happened, but I think your instincts were right. Look at it this way; he was looking to hurt you. In any way he could. Take revenge. It wasn't personal. If you would have been a woman, he would have made some snide remark about being a "bitch". If you were black, he might have tried to use the "N" word. Who knows? He was just looking to take his own failure out on someone else and you were handy.
Take pity on him and let it go. My own unsolicited advice. :-) {{{hugs}}}
Posted by: Amber at December 10, 2004 03:08 PM (zQE5D)
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Holiday Cards: A trip down memory lane
I just returned from mailing off our holiday cards, all 93 of them. It took us a long two nights to write messages to everyone, stuff, seal, and stamp. It was a companionable time, though, and I kind of enjoyed just sitting at the kitchen table with my wife and listening to her gentle (sometimes, not so gentle) profanity as she tore an envelope here or put the wrong card in the wrong envelope there.
Otherwise, I was a bit alone with my thoughts as we scribbled away. It was fun to realize that on these sheets of labels, I had a sort of chronological roadmap to my life.
The oldest friend rang in at 35 years, which is a long time but especially when you consider we are each only 37. That is a friendship I take great pleasure in.
After that, people sort of popped up onto the list from the Summer I spent in China, some 20 years ago, and friends I made in France, some almost 15 years ago, and friends I made in England, over 10 years ago when I lived and worked there.
Business acquaintances made it on the list, but only because I liked them, not because I needed to send them a card. In other words, they became friends through business but are not on the list because I do business with them.
Friends from University and from Law School are there. Friends from New Orleans are there. Former neighbors from our old co-op in the City are on the list. I used to be the Vice President of that Board and still have lots of friends there.
Family, all over the world, are on the list, for sure. My wife got to write any of the Norwegian cards herself.
Friends I've made through volunteer work and through various other outside activities made their way onto the list.
All in all, a most satisfactory tour of my past and my present.
Until we consider the deletions. Judaism teaches that the sweet is always mixed with the sour. I suppose that makes sense, there is very little joy that is unalloyed in the world and you might not even be able to fully appreciate the nuances of the happiness without a sprinkling of the sad.
Some were deleted from our list because cards don't get sent to the deceased. They don't have a mantle for them anymore, anyway. The old in our family are dying and the new generation is beginning to fill in for them as the generational odometer ticks over.
Some fell off the list because of desuetude. The friendships withered as people lost the habit of staying in touch. Actually, one card went to just such a person in the hope that it might rekindle the friendship. If not, oh, well, we have enough friends who we don't get to see as it is.
It was a good trip, this little trip of ours down memory lane. The only real snag was running out of cards!
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I always enjoy your reflections on your life and relationships, RP. They are always thoughtful, touching, amusing, and poignant. Thanks for being so eloquently human!
Posted by: GrammarQueen at December 09, 2004 09:58 AM (gDEwS)
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It IS fun doing cards together isn't it? :-)
We're supposed to do ours tonight, unless life gets in the way again as it's been wont to do recently.
93! How wonderful! Good for you. Our list is barely 30 or so.
Posted by: Amber at December 09, 2004 11:45 AM (zQE5D)
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sounds like a wonderful way to spend a few evenings.
was there hot chocolate involved?
Posted by: standing naked at December 09, 2004 11:58 AM (3R49M)
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How nice! I used to enjoy sending out holiday greetings, and using it as a way to keep in touch, however slightly, with all the loved ones you rarely speak with.
I miss that. Maybe I'll start again next year.
Posted by: Mick at December 09, 2004 03:12 PM (VhRca)
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No hot chocolate! But it was fun, y'all. Our only problem is that we are on something like an every other year schedule with these things. I wish we were better at it.
Posted by: RP at December 10, 2004 08:11 AM (LlPKh)
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Holy cow! I can't even get my save-the-date cards addressed and sent out *sigh* I am envious.
Posted by: Mandalei at December 10, 2004 09:18 AM (LcyhB)
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You're a better person that I am! All of my cards got a "Love, Helen" message on them and got winged into the mailbox.
Posted by: Helen at December 11, 2004 04:03 AM (QuLsu)
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December 08, 2004
Why taking the 5:56 a.m. train can be good
I skipped merrily down to the train station this morning to take the 5:56 a.m. train to work. It gets me to my desk by right about 6:30. This was good today. Why? Because it is really nice to have a little bit of extra time when you find out that there has been a change of plans and you are going to be cross examining the former Chapter 11 bankruptcy trustee today with respect to his reports and the calculation of a credit in the bankruptcy in the context of a hearing on damages.
Gotta run!
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Yeah.
I took an "Oh-God-Hundred" train today too, and am still sitting in a miserable stuffy conference room, hoping I can get out of here while I still have a soul.
So I relate. Really.
Posted by: Helen at December 08, 2004 09:31 AM (qcoRS)
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It is so nice to be informed of these things last minute isn't it? Like the THREE times I showed up at school to teach the 8th graders only to find out the schedule was change.
Tons of fun.
Posted by: Rachel Ann at December 09, 2004 02:23 AM (I9nMw)
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Good luck! Hope it went well!
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December 07, 2004
Christmas Vacation Reading
I have just selected some books to bring with me for Christmas vacation. We will be spending about two weeks with my in-laws and I anticipate some time to catch up on my reading. Here are my choices (I'm not sure that I'll be bringing them all, mind you):
*The Man Who Would Be King: The First American in Afghanistan
by Ben Macintyre
*Basic Economics: A Citizens Guide to the Economy, Revised and Expanded
by Thomas Sowell
*Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One
by Thomas Sowell
*Gentleman Revolutionary : Gouverneur Morris, the Rake Who Wrote the Constitution
by Richard Brookhiser
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*To Rule the Waves : How the British Navy Shaped the Modern World
by Arthur Herman
My father in law also has an excellent library. But I do like to have a couple of my own books, too.
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Does this mean you're going to Norway?
Posted by: John Bruce at December 07, 2004 02:10 PM (8Ti3f)
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All non-fiction for you RP?
Funny, when I travel I tend to focus on lighter fiction.
Have a nice trip and enjoy the books!!!
Posted by: ivan at December 07, 2004 02:41 PM (A27TY)
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You should check out the biography on Freya Stark, too. Interesting lady, she was an adventurer who travelled by herself in the ealry 20th century, and is pretty much responsible for te way the Middle East looks on paper. I haven't got my grubby mitts on it yet, so I can't speak for the book beyond what I know of Freya Stark's life. Seems up your alley, though!
Posted by: Mandalei at December 07, 2004 03:01 PM (LcyhB)
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I was going to recommend "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", but it seems a little lowbrow compared to what you're reading.
Posted by: Howard at December 07, 2004 04:38 PM (e1Imk)
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That is some heavy reading, Random! I'm partial to fiction myself, but that might just explain why I have such a poor understanding of world economics!
Interesting list. Good reading to ya!
Posted by: Mick at December 08, 2004 12:44 PM (VhRca)
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RP - I just started reading "The Lunar Men", by Jenny Uglow. I think you might like it.
Posted by: Mark at December 16, 2004 08:24 PM (Xzs/V)
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Time Suck of the Day: News Edition
Ok, this is probably one of the single coolest things I have ever come across on the internet: The
10x10 interactive changing collage of images and news stories. Click on this link and prepare to lose loads of time as you explore it.
From their description of it:
Every hour, 10x10 collects the 100 words and pictures that matter most on a global scale, and presents them as a single image, taken to encapsulate that moment in time. Over the course of days, months, and years, 10x10 leaves a trail of these hourly statements which, stitched together side by side, form a continuous patchwork tapestry of human life.
10x10 is ever-changing, ever-growing, quietly observing the ways in which we live. It records our wars and crises, our triumphs and tragedies, our mistakes and milestones. When we make history, or at least the headlines, 10x10 takes note and remembers.
Each hour is presented as a picture postcard window, composed of 100 different frames, each of which holds the image of a single moment in time. Clicking on a single frame allows us to peer a bit deeper into the story that lies behind the image. In this way, we can dart in and out of the news, understanding both the individual stories and the ways in which they relate to each other.
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You're evil. I must have spent an hour at this site on and off today. Bad RP, Bad.
Posted by: Elizabeth at December 09, 2004 01:54 AM (n3948)
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Real Estate a la Balzac
I came across the following
description of a rural auction in France of a property sold after the debtor had defaulted on his mortgage and thought it marvelous:
The auction itself might be a scene taken from one of Balzac's novels: three candles sit upon the notaire's table. The first is lit as the black-gowned barristers place the opening bids. The property is declared sold when the three candles, each one burning for a minute, have been lit in succession without another bid being made.
Isn't that a great image?
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Yes, it's charming. What an intricate and ceremonial method. Is this a current event???
Posted by: Mick at December 07, 2004 11:38 AM (VhRca)
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Yup, very current. I found it in an article on buying rural property on the cheap in France in a British newspaper.
Posted by: rp at December 07, 2004 11:56 AM (LlPKh)
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The Girl Child last night
My wife tells me that last night she told the Girl Child that, owing to the GC's less than stellar behavior, they would read only one story at bedtime that night and that they were going up to go to bed right now. The GC replied:
That doesn't really work for me.
I wish I knew where she picked some of these things up.
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Posted by: Mick at December 07, 2004 11:37 AM (VhRca)
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Did she try a plea bargain? My friend said that his boy bargained with them when it came to him losing his bottle "privileges". He said "How about I go to bed by myself at the right time, and you let me keep the bottle". They didn't argue.
Kids are great.
My 2 year old apparently scoldingly said "I told you" to my wife yesterday, after she asked whether he had "poo'd".
Posted by: Oorgo at December 07, 2004 11:56 AM (lM0qs)
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She did not try to bargain, from what I understand. She simply told my wife that her plan was not acceptable. That doesn't mean that she won, mind you, but she stated her point quite clearly.
Posted by: rp at December 07, 2004 12:04 PM (LlPKh)
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That's priceless! Enjoy her now. I don't envy you the Teenage Years [cue screeching Psycho theme].
;o)
Posted by: Margi at December 07, 2004 03:01 PM (rKX9f)
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LOL precocious kid!
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December 06, 2004
A couple of Girl Child Stories
It has been awhile since I have posted a Girl Child story, so here are two of them.
First, we stayed up late on Wednesday night to watch Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer on television. She was very, very excited and was counting down the days until we got to see it. She doesn't get to watch much television, a good thing I think, so she was not too clear on the concept. She thought it was a movie so each time it stopped for a commercial, she'd look up at me, we were cuddling under a blanket on the couch, and she'd ask if it was over yet. I'd tell her no, that it was just on commercial break. Finally, after the 352nd commercial, she looked at me and said:
All these commercials? Its just not right.
Yup.
Second, she busted me. I told her that I was going to a memorial service and that she could not come because no kids were allowed. This was in the morning. She accepted that reason and let me go peacefully on my way. Later that night, when I got home, I told her that I saw some of her cousins there (the grandchildren of the woman whose husband had died) and the Girl Child said:
Hey! I thought you said that no kids were allowed!!!
My wife and I were astounded that she remembered from this morning and then so clearly busted me on it. I had to explain the circumstances surrounding the reasons why my cousin wanted her grandchildren there. Upon which, the Girl Child told me that Sam was not dead, he was just in heaven. That may sum it up rather neatly for me. I'm not sure where she picked that up, but she was firm and unshakeable in her conviction.
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Busted, buddy! That'll teach you to give her mixed messages!!!
;-)
Posted by: Mick at December 06, 2004 11:57 AM (VhRca)
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I love it. She was initially confused (maybe even suspicious), but, after your hummina-hummina explanation, headed straight for the divine resolution. Precious.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at December 06, 2004 10:00 PM (Ar7wg)
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Do you mean the really old Rudolph movie that looks kidn of real with the scary snow monster and stuff? Or the cartoon?
Posted by: Hannah at December 09, 2004 09:21 AM (zr6mn)
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Delaware Water Gap
On Sunday, I was very near the Delaware Water Gap, a place probably not so very well known to those outside that area and so I thought I might write about it a little bit. Besides, having merely driven through it myself a couple of times, I wanted an excuse to learn more about it myself. Here is a nice view of it:

First, the DWP is a national park:
This park preserves 40 miles of the middle Delaware River and almost 70,000 acres of land along the river's New Jersey and Pennsylvania shores. At the south end of the park, the river cuts eastward through the Appalachian Mountains at the scenic Delaware Water Gap. A one-day auto tour of the park can include waterfalls, rural scenery, and historic Millbrook Village. Visitors can also canoe, hike, camp, swim, picnic, bicycle, crosscountry ski, and horseback ride. Fishing and hunting are permitted in season with state licenses.
Secondly, there is significant evidence of pre-historic habitation in the park.
Archeologists began their surveys in 1959, and by the mid 1960s, recognized that this area offered a rich and well preserved record of prehistoric occupation, beginning with the Paleo-Indian, the earliest known culture in the New World. Current theory suggests that during the Wisconsin glaciation period, 23,000 to 12,000 B.C., a land bridge existed between Asia and Alaska, vanishing around 8,000 B.C. Hunter-gatherers migrated across this land bridge following herds of caribou and other large mammals. This culture is recognized archeologically by distinctive fluted projectile points which are most commonly found in eastern North America as isolated finds. Three archeological sites within the recreation area contain evidence of this culture.
Later, this part of the country was an important fortified frontier during the French and Indian wars and during the revolutionary war. In 1758, the New Jersey legislature created the Military Trail of 16 fortified forts to protect against raids. The trail is still visible and used today. There's even a trail guide.
Here is a much more extensive monograph on the history of the DWG region.
You can get a sense of the eco-system at this comprehensive link. Unfortunately, this material concerning the Delaware River makes no mention of the recent oil spill "where up to 473,500 gallons of crude oil flowed out of a six-foot gash in the bottom of a tanker bound for a New Jersey refinery recently".
The DWG is part of a network in New Jersey called the Skylands, a "five-county region contains two national parks at its edges, 60,000 acres of state parkland, and a diverse and beautiful geography filled with lakes, rivers and picturesque hills dotted with farms."
This actually looks like a really fun place to go explore more. I'm glad I took the time to check it out here.
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I used to canoe the DWG when I went to summer camp. It was my favorite trip each year.
If that picture is where I think it is, when you went around the bend in the river and looked up and to your left, the rock formation looked like an Indian Chief's profile. It was pretty cool.
Posted by: Howard at December 06, 2004 03:41 PM (e1Imk)
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Ms. Mandalei and I just drove through the water gap yesterday on our way back from Pittsburgh. It's one of the big markers on my at-least-annual trip from the east coast to Michigan to go see family, and I too have always wanted to explore it a bit more. Maybe this spring...
Posted by: Ben at December 13, 2004 11:02 AM (DNDAu)
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All is Silent from Miami
Since I involved you all in my job interview, I thought I'd let you know the news. There is no news. Well, besides Generalissimo Francisco Franco still being dead (the early SNLs were really the best, weren't they?). I have heard nothing from Miami. My wife thinks I should give them a ring to see what's going on. My view is more of a having heard nothing, I assume I did not get the job, view. Why bother confirming past that? I think I will just let it lie, for now.
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i don't know...i think you call maybe wed?
Posted by: standing naked at December 06, 2004 10:06 AM (IAJcf)
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I don't know... I had my first phone nterview with the school I work at in February of 2003, and didn't hear a word until April, when I was asked to drive outI had 9 interviews, and taught 3 classes. You just never know.
Posted by: Mandalei at December 06, 2004 10:10 AM (LcyhB)
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Please call. Not only does it show you are enthusiastic about the job, but it's possible that other things are going on you don't know about.
When I faxed over my application for the dream job I have now, I didn't get a reply for a *MONTH*! When the business owner finally called me, I laughed at him when he identified himself.
He was startled until I explained I'd written him off. He told me he'd been in South America and had come back to an office with over 400 faxed applications for this job.
I told him I'd simpply assumed he was a flake. (I'm very upfront, as you can see. LOL!) He laughed at me and we scheduled an interview for the next day. I wow'd him and got the job.
So, for all you know, there might be all kinds of other reasons why you haven't been contacted.
I have also landed other jobs just because I called back and bugged them after the interview. I interviewed once for a job I wanted very much, my first sales rep position for a national company.
They did not call me back. I was frantic. Finally, I just called the guy after about 4 days and left a message on his voice mail (he was out) saying that I really wanted this job and I wasn't afraid to make that clear to him. That I would do an excellent job and there wasn't anyone else who could do it better. That if I didn't hear from him, I'd be calling back every day until I did because I REALLY WANTED THIS JOB!
He called me back later that day, obviously amused and appreciative of my determination and gave me the position. He later said that they wanted "Go-Getters". They WANT someone who really wants the job. Who won't hesitate being aggressive about it. Who will call and call to get what they want.
So call, Random. What can it hurt? :-)
Posted by: Amber at December 06, 2004 11:41 AM (zQE5D)
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I'm of the "call to see" group for sure. The dream job I have took NINE MONTHS to be completely set up and rockin' and rollin'. (Of course, it involved hardware, set up, line installation, the woiks, and then I got married and moved, so this is why mine took so long to get rolling) but all along the way, I would send a "Don't you forget about meee" e-mails and calls.

I have to know -- one way or the other. So *I* would call. LOL
YMMV.
Posted by: Margi at December 06, 2004 06:34 PM (rKX9f)
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Call. The worst is they say you missed out, in which case you can ask why and get some feedback. the best is they say they were just about to call you to say you've got the job. Either way it's far easier than rining a woman for a date.
Posted by: Simon at December 06, 2004 09:36 PM (UKqGy)
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I'm with everybody else on this -- and especially Amber.
You might think you'd sound too eager/desperate to ask for an update. But, you'll just as easily sound like you're waiting on them because you've got some other great offers in the wings and just waiting for
you to say what's up.
There's no harm in checking back with them, though not checking back might be considered a sign of, either, unavailablity or indifference.
If you want the job, let 'em know. Things like that matter to employers!
Posted by: Tuning Spork at December 06, 2004 10:21 PM (Ar7wg)
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Well, I took all of your advice and I called. The hiring guy was away for the week on business, or so his voicemail claimed, and I left a message telling him that I was still very interested in the position. I guess we'll just see.
Posted by: RP at December 07, 2004 07:06 AM (X3Lfs)
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There oughtta be a law against HR personnel conducting interviews and then leaving town. SO NOT FAIR!
I'm still crossing everything that can be crossed, RP.
Please keep us posted. Kay?
Posted by: Margi at December 07, 2004 03:00 PM (rKX9f)
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A Joke, in lieu of a real post
A doctor was addressing a large scientific conference in Tampa concerning the latest dietary breakthroughs:
"The material we put into our stomachs is enough to have killed most of us sitting here. Red meat is awful. Soft drinks contain exorbatent amounts of sugar and corrode your stomach lining. Chinese food is loaded with MSG.
High fat diets can be disastrous, and none of us realizes the long-term harm caused by the germs in our drinking water.
"But there is one thing that is the most dangerous of all, that we all have eaten, or will eat. Would anyone care to guess what food causes the most grief and suffering for years after eating it?"
After several seconds of quiet, a small 75-year-old Jewish man in the front row raised his hand and asked:
"Vedding Cake?"
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From the mouths of elderly Jewish gentlemen.
I offer him an Amen.
Posted by: Helen at December 06, 2004 08:59 AM (TmM0X)
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AHAHAHAHA! Loved that, thanks. :-)
Posted by: Amber at December 06, 2004 11:32 AM (zQE5D)
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That's a good one, and oh so true.
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Oy gevalt! I'm leffing so hard, my sides are shplittink!
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Improbable Name of the Day
I was reading the obituaries in the Daily Telegraph this morning, specifically the obituary of
HRH Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands (who, by the way, led a fascinating life), consort to Queen Juliana, when I came upon the name of the young woman with whom it was alleged he may have been unfaithful at some point. The obituary describes it much more discreetly as a "close friendship".
In any event, his close friend was "a young Frenchwoman, the improbably named Poussy Grinda".
I'm really not mature enough to take this seriously. Besides, don't you all hear the James Bond movie theme song now?
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Ribbons, ribbons, everywhere
I was doing a bit of driving this weekend and I noticed, on the car in front of me, a yellow magnetic ribbon and a pink magnetic ribbon. The yellow ribbon was clearly in support of our troops. The pink ribbon, identical in appearance to the yellow ribbon, made me think that the driver of the car also wanted to make clear his or her support for our troops serving in the "don't ask, don't tell" program.
Later, of course, I realized it was a breast cancer ribbon. But it took awhile!
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What do you say?
What do you say to a woman whose husband just died? I pondered that question as I drove about 100 miles on Sunday morning to attend the memorial service for my cousin's husband. I love my cousin, I never much liked her husband but I assume that was really my fault and not his. So I knew that I was going for her and not for him. What do you say? I never really know. Everything seems so inadequate. I settled, finally, on, "I'm sorry". That was all. Just that I was sorry. What else is there to say, really?
The service was interesting. It was conducted by a Minister from a hospice organization that helped him die at home. She was very nice but she said that she did not really know how to conduct the service since Sam told her that she could not mention God at all. She said that this was a first for her. But she spoke movingly of Sam and how she got to know him as he died. That sort of freaked me out, just a little, that Sam was discussing his own death and the memorial service he wanted, that he was, how do I put it, . . . He was more or less alone with the absolute realization that he was planning a party he would not be attending, that whatever else happened, he was alone, all alone at the end. This must come to us all, of course, in one way or another. But I was really struck by the manner in which he died, that he had time to contemplate as something other than a philosophical concept, his own demise. In any event, Sam's brother in law got up at the end and read from the Psalms ("The Lord is my Shepard, etc.) and recited the Mourner's Kaddish. The Minister closed the service by saying, "I was surprised to hear that Sam requested that. So, he tricked me. Good for him! I'm glad".
His last little joke. I'm glad, too.
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My mom had home hospice too when she was dying of cancer. The person who helped take care of her also helped her see that her time was coming. Before that, my mom kept talking about getting well again, heartbreakingly so, while we all knew it was much too late. God bless that hospice woman for helping my mom see the truth so we didn't have to do it. FYI, she was to the point where cancer was all through her body; all her vital organs were being attacked and the hospital had collapsed both lungs. She had to have a feeding tube, had great trouble breathing, was unable to get up from the bed, even to go to the bathroom and had shrunken to 80 pounds or less.
Every waking moment was a struggle just to breathe. And every day she got a little worse. I asked her once what it felt like and she said it was like having the most horrible flu in the world, where you can't get up or enjoy life or even watch TV, but the flu never goes away and you never get any better.
Despite all this, we still had to listen to her talk hopefully about "beating this thing". It was painful, so painful for all of us.
When, with the help of the hospice person, she finally realized she couldn't beat it after all, we were all relieved. I think her most of all, because she kept feeling like a failure for not getting better, you know? Anyway, knowing ahead of time gave her time to give each of us grown kids a special goodbye message, face to face, hand to hand, hug to hug, and instructions on what she wanted done for her funeral, etc.
Maybe it sounds terrible to some, but I'm glad your cousin's husband had the same chance. Sorry for your cousin's loss.
Posted by: Amber at December 06, 2004 11:31 AM (zQE5D)
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A Numbers Game
This weekend, the sitemeter odometer ticked over to the 10,000 mark. That's ten thousand visitors since I moved here from blogspot. Is this a world beater number? Nope. But it still seems highly significant to me. When I started this blog, I did so because I just felt like I had some things to say and I wanted a forum in which to do it. And now just over 10,000 people have stopped by to read. In the process, I have made some new friends and been included in a community of pretty wonderful bloggers. In fact, if you are not aware of Mu.Nu., graciously hosted by
Pixy, go click on the sidebar labeled "Munuvians" to browse through the list of the denizens of MuNu.
I'm still not really sure what my blog is, though. I don't think it fits neatly into a simple category but that's not a bad thing. Feel free to chime in if you have mentally slotted my blog into a category. I'd be very curious to hear where you've put it since I have no idea myself.
Anyway, thanks for coming and reading. For those of you who have left comments (I heart comments), thanks doubly!
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10 K, very impressive indeed!!
Keep up the good work.
Posted by: Wicked H at December 06, 2004 08:07 AM (iqFar)
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well...i agree it doesn't fit in a category...and that...is a good thing.
congrats on the 10,000.
Posted by: standing naked at December 06, 2004 10:11 AM (IAJcf)
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Your blog doesn't have to fit in a category. In fact, other than the music blogs I have listed (because they offer Mp3s of rare or hard-to-find music), I don't have any "themed" blogs I link to. And if I do accidentally link to a "theme" blog, I eventually take it off because it's too one-dimensional for em.
I like "people" blogs, where intelligent and very nice people like you talk about whatever interests them at the moment. Their life, their relationships, their thoughts on the world. Whatever they are thinking about.
That's why I keep coming back, Random. :-) Congrats on the 10,000!
Posted by: Amber at December 06, 2004 11:20 AM (zQE5D)
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Congrats Random, and here's to many more posts about things that go through your mind/consciousness.
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If I did categories you'd go under "Epicurean Writers".
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December 03, 2004
Africa/AIDS: How to help the children
Watching, from afar, as the AIDS plague has ravaged Africa, I have felt completely helpless, as I am sure many of you do. The plight of the adults who suffer from this syndrome has moved me less than the plight of the orphans who are left behind. The children, some of whom are forced to turn to prostitution in order to survive, are the most heart rending of all the victims. I have tried to imagine, and my mind shies away, from what it must feel like for a child to suddenly be left with no parent at all, entirely dependent on his or her native intelligence and skills to survive, to eat, to find shelter, sometimes at a very tender age when we, in the United States, probably would not let a child walk to school alone, much less live alone. I have discovered a charity that seems to be making a difference, though, and I want to call it to your attention:
Hope and Homes. H&H helps children
orphaned by HIV and AIDS. H&H helps by providing shelter, food, education, and training so that these children can grow and join society. H&H helps keep families together. They are doing the Lord's work, if you will.
H&H also helps place children left in institutions in Eastern Europe and those orphaned by conflict.
You can donate here, if you should wish to do so.
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You're a good man, Random. Writing about these subjects as often and well as you do can't help but raise the level of consciousness in your readership.
Also, if I may be allowed a word of praise, what comes through in your writing -not only in this case, but always - is an overwhelming sense of decency. That, my good friend, is why you make your point so well!
Thanks!
Posted by: Mick at December 03, 2004 03:48 PM (VhRca)
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British Education Marches Proudly into the Past
What other title could you put on a post highlighting the fact that one University in Britain has axed the
physics department and another the
chemistry department? Watch, as the Brits march proudly into the past since they will not be equiping their students to march into the future.
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Well, yes and no. Basically what has happened is that the numbers of school-leavers going on to higher education has dramatically expanded over the last fifteen years or so (cynics say the government did this to cover the real rate of youth unemployment). But the funding did not expand to match. So the UK has moved from seven per cent of secondary school leavers going on to university to nearly forty per cent (and rising). Something had to give. There are more science students overall, but at fewer institutions (funding is related to "star" rating, so poorly performing institutions get their funding scaled down).
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A Vicious Assault
Sorry so quiet today, but I got to work late after staying home to be with the kids while my wife fled the house early for a long day of job interviews. Keeping fingers crossed!
When I finally got to work, it was only to discover an email from a very good client. My client, also my friend, had been the victim of a vicious assault by a store owner's employee. He had been struck in the head with some unknown object, hospitalized for two days with swelling in the brain, and suffered significant blood loss. He was almost killed. He wants me to help him sue the owner and anyone else we can think of for damages caused to him and consequently to his business (since he isn't there to run it).
I have been feverishly doing legal research on all of the finer points of tort law this morning -- vicarious liability, negligence (maybe for the hiring practices), etc.
I have never taken a personal injury case before and have sworn I never would. However, I feel a great sense of personal outrage and motivation here. Time to make somebody pay, I think. I can't help the healing, but I can help the recovery.
Did I mention that my friend let his medical insurance lapse and will have to cover all the medical bills himself?
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Man, that's awful! I'm glad you're taking the case. Make the bastard pay!!!
Posted by: Mick at December 03, 2004 03:37 PM (VhRca)
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December 02, 2004
The "About Me" page
I have finally put up an "
About me" post on the sidebar. I am not thrilled with it, particularly, and so draw your attention to it to invite constructive criticism. If you have any ideas about what I should do about it, I'd like to hear them. Thanks!
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OMG!!!
OMG!!!
i had given up all hope.
i never thought it would actually happen.
i am speechless.
practically.
omg.
i am sure you can see the glare from my beaming smile.
aaahh...i can go grocery shopping now. and then come back later and catch up.
Posted by: standing naked at December 02, 2004 11:31 AM (IAJcf)
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I like it! Why are you not thrilled with it? Yours has better info than mine does. :-)
Posted by: Amber at December 02, 2004 11:37 AM (zQE5D)
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Looks fine to me, RP. Way better than mine, anyway. Not that it's especially difficult to do better than mine, seeing as mine is scattered about several dozen posts in a haphazard fashion.
Posted by: Jim at December 02, 2004 12:05 PM (tyQ8y)
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I had one of those. I wonder what I did with it?
And I, for one, would be thrilled to view out-of-focus pictures of your left knee. But I'm wacky like that.

Excellent job! I don't know why you don't like it. I imagine that talking about yourself makes you squirmy -- like it does me. Heh.
Posted by: Margi at December 02, 2004 07:02 PM (rKX9f)
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Margi, once again, you hit the post on its head. Squirmy is egggactly right.
Thanks for the comments, y'all. Maybe it doesn't suck so bad after all.
Posted by: RP at December 03, 2004 12:19 PM (LlPKh)
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