July 25, 2004
Socialist Worker Paradise
Norway is the
socialist worker paradise, paid for by the oil resources. This was just fascinating to me -- the Norwegian worker,
excluding vacations, misses
4.8 weeks of work a year. That is stunning. It is said that it costs the government some $12 billion a year to cover the costs. Oh, and by the way, some 50% of the work force is working for the government in some capacity or another. How is this healthy for any society, that no one works and that half your work force is engaged in providing monopolistic social services to the other half? Who produces anything? How do you expect a society to grow, to thrive, to create, to do anything at all?
You cannot, in my view. The problem the Norwegians are now facing, according to the article, is that they are finally being called on this problem as American (you know, the great Satans) are buying or merging with Norwegian companies and not putting up with these practices.
Norwegian intellectuals do not like America or Americans. They are not alone in Europe, of course. But go, if you have a moment, and check out this article by Bjorn Staerk (Bear Strong for you non-Norsk speakers) on the famed Norwegian intellectual who thinks pro-American Norwegians should be put under surveillance and eventually on trial for their crime of supporting America. Truly shocking. I wonder why we bother to have relations at all sometimes with Norway.
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WHy America bothers? Cause of the oil, baby! Norway is the richest country in the world, and weirdly enough, they save most of the money for future generations, which I always found ironic, seeing as the current generation there could use more funding.
Posted by: Helen at July 26, 2004 03:56 AM (pS7+B)
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Well, we are by far one of the smaller importers of oil for Norway. According the their Foreign Ministry, Europe takes over 60% and the US about 6%. Norway doesn't make it into our top ten list of oil exporters and barely makes it into the top 15. I'm not sure how you define "richest" country, but I always thought that was Oman or one of the other really small Middle Eastern states. Finally, the oil fund they use to save is not entirely used to save for future generations, I believe some of it is currently spent on government projects. Moreover, I understand that the fund distorts the Norwegian stock market and causes all sorts of investment problems. That said, I think it's great that they are saving. I just wish they'd back away from some of the overt anti-Americanism.
Posted by: RP at July 26, 2004 06:29 AM (X3Lfs)
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I dunno-I have met many Norwegians (living next door to Norway for 4 and a half years helped!) and I found them to be anti-anyone-except-Norwegians. I am not having a go against them, I have no problem with Norwegians, I think that they like being a bit of an insular community (not part of the EU, their independance day is the day they kicked the Swedes out) and just keep to themselves.
Posted by: Helen at July 26, 2004 10:44 AM (pS7+B)
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Look, they've got oil so they'll be invaded soon anyway.
Posted by: Simon at July 27, 2004 05:29 AM (UKqGy)
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I will agree that the Norwegian workforce is a bit spoiled, and that does pose some employer issues.
But please... I'm an American living in Norway. Norwegians don't hate America or Americans by any stretch of the imagination. That is simply not true. The US government is pretty universally disliked in Europe, thats for sure... and this expat doesn't care for it either. But to make a statement that Norwegians hate all Americans is ignorant on your part.
Posted by: Murrican at August 19, 2004 07:04 AM (iFV5U)
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I regret that you did not leave a valid email address so I could correspond with you further on this. Feel free to contact me at the email address I left.
Posted by: RP at August 19, 2004 07:14 AM (LlPKh)
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I have a few points to make about this issue:
1. Norwegian workers have a lot of rights which US workers don't have. We don't have to work for $5.15 an hour. In fact, the lowest pay per hour you can get in Norway (legally) as an 18 year old with little or no education, is 77 NOK or $12.28. However, few get paid as little as that. The common per hour pay is about $16 or more. Washing floors can get you $18.66 or more an hour.
In the South of the US there are 250,000 illegal Mexican & other Lat.-Am. workers who get paid salaries WELL under your $5.15 bar.
I think it is best to treat your workers like humans, rather than treat them like slaves.
2. Most Norwegians dislike ANY foreign company that buys Norwegian companies. It's not like Norwegians are alone about this. I've heard US citizens grumble about job losses to China and "foreigners meddling in our business" for months.
3. If Norwegians are anti-American, then US citizens are surely anti-European. At times, I have read nothing but negative, incorrect, hateful remarks and articles about Europe (which by the way is presented as though it was a country) and Europeans. I've felt so much hate it's unbeliebable, and the hateful, bigoted, hypocritical lies about Europe have come like a monsun over Sumatra.
4. The richest country in the world is Luxembourg, but Norway is perhaps at a 2nd place.
Posted by: Erik at January 18, 2005 04:30 AM (lnhw0)
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But what's interesting is how few rights Norwegian employers have to actually terminate employment. How come no one ever cares about that?
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July 20, 2004
Norwegians think they can vote here?
How unilateral, how interventionist, how one sided. A foreign group wants to interfere in the democratic process of another country! Call out the United Nations! Someone has to stop this madness, this threat to world peace, this act which has the potential to imbalance all of the delicate mechanisms by which international relations are maintained. Maybe we should get France involved.
What am I talking about? You mean you haven't heard? The Norwegians don't want us to re-elect President Bush and have started a website in order to raise money to purchase an advertisement in the Washington Post to tell us silly Americans that Norway was opposed to the war in Iraq and we should not reelect the President. You can read about it here.
The funny thing is how central Norway feels it is to this debate that their ad*, in the WaPo of all papers, is going to influence our election. Most of the US voters don't even read the Post! The best part, though, was this quote:
Geir Lundestad of the Nobel Institute in Norway . . . [says] "Everyone [of the power elite in Norway] is asking me, 'do you think we'll get rid of Bush in November?,' and that's a completely new situation," Lundestad said.
We'll get rid of Bush? Are they kidding?
If we did something like this, the Norwegian press would be all over our neocolonialist-imperialist-unilateralist-bomb dropping-cowboy hat wearing-ass. The Norwegians take themselves so seriously sometimes that it's just funny.
* corrected typo pointed out by eagle-eyed reader.
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Bloody vikings. Always popping up when you don't expect them.
Posted by: Jim at July 20, 2004 11:18 AM (IOwam)
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And sacking Paris, too! Oh, wait. Never mind.
Posted by: Random Penseur at July 20, 2004 09:33 PM (X3Lfs)
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Did you really mean to write the word "add" for the word "ad" in the paragraph beginning with the words "The funny thing...?"
i will read content later. Meanwhile, back to election campaigning...
Posted by: azalea at July 20, 2004 11:53 PM (hRxUm)
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Obviously you've not yet heard about the new Scandinavian mind control device being rolled out this November. If you get a sudden urge for fondue pre-election day, you'll know what's happened.
Posted by: Simon at July 21, 2004 03:57 AM (GWTmv)
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Azalea -- thanks for the spot! I did not mean to put add where ad was supposed to go. I will change it and credit you!
Simon -- I think that's the Swiss you may be thinking of.
Posted by: RP at July 21, 2004 12:01 PM (LlPKh)
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Even more hypocritical bile from those who would rather forget.
The US has interfered in the business of other nations more than any other country, through war and toppling of governments. However, when another country places an ad tellng peeople the position of that country and ASKING people to consider NOT voting for Bush, there is outrage. I suppose people on this group would much more appreciate another country that did some to influence US elections US style, like toppling your gov't?
Here's a little collection of articles that show how extremely hypocritical the US is:
http://www.countercurrents.org/us-agee040803.htm
http://www.emayzine.com/lectures/usmeddling.htm
http://www.neravt.com/left/invade.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views/050300-102.htm
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/afgh-n27.shtml
http://www.library.wisc.edu/guides/SEAsia/vnimage/uscrimes.htm
http://www.labournet.net/other/0303/history1.html
Posted by: Erik at January 18, 2005 04:57 AM (lnhw0)
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Erik, the comment "hypocritical bile" does not really constitute civil discourse. You may, I suspect, be a troll. You have not, clearly, read the post you just dropped all of these nonsense links on. In any event, I suspect that you may be a poor student of history. The US has done more to influence other governments then, say, the old Soviet Union? Really? Or, say, France under Napoleon? Or England? Or Rome? Do you mean to be taken seriously?
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July 06, 2004
Stolen Identity
Another good reason why you should always be careful with your wallet:
you may end up married without knowing it. At first this seemed really odd, but upon reflection it makes a lot of sense. You need a residency permit, you steal the identity of a woman, you marry her, you stay. I wonder how often this happens.
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June 23, 2004
Archeological find in Norway
They have
dug up some interesting artifacts in Stavanger. The find includes Women's jewelry, a spinning wheel, a bowl-shaped silver-plated bronze buckle, and an amber pearl. Amber is something that you see a lot of coming from the Baltic region so this would be an indication of trade patterns, perhaps.
The oddest statement was made concerning a piece of stiffened pine resin which the project leader speculates was used as chewing gum: "All of us have tried to chew on stiffened pine resin at one time or another". All of us? We have? I must have been absent that day.
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June 18, 2004
Unemployed prostitutes in Norway
Too much supply and not enough demand for
prostitutes in Norway cause them to take it on the road. What's the problem? Cheaper imported woman from the former Eastern-bloc countries are pricing the Norwegian prostitutes out of the market. Interesting application of market force.
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June 10, 2004
Seal hunting for Tourists
As Aftenposten makes clear, it is now possible for a tourist
to go seal hunting in Norway. The bill has cleared the Norwegian Storting (legislature) and foreigners can now take part in what was once an exclusive pass time for Norwegians. But wait, first you need to pass a shooting test, so don't run out to your travel agents immediately. I thought clubbing was the preferred method, not shooting.
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June 02, 2004
June 01, 2004
Actually, it appers that the social welfare state has some limits
There may be some limits after all, despite what I wrote about below. A man claimed too much in benefits and was prosecuted.
He was not convicted. Why? Too dyslexic to understand, perhaps. However, it does appear from this that you can't just claim for whatever you want and keep it, regardless of your situation or income level.
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Gotta love the social welfare state
According to Aftenposten, the biggest Norwegian daily newspaper, a family has won compensation from the local welfare authorities to help pay for the effects of their 11 year old son's
chronic bed wetting. They had to go to court to get it, but they are going to receive something like $1,100 a year. The article doesn't address this, but I imagine that they are also going to get their lawyer fees and court costs paid as well. The social welfare state will pay for just about anything, I think. Can you even imagine making an application for something like this?
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May 17, 2004
God 17 Mai
To all of you Norwegians and Norwegian-o-philes, I wish you all a god 17 Mai! Today is Norwegian Constitution Day. It is a day to spend with families, to wave the flag, and to have a cook out. My wife and I will be at work instead. I hope everyone has an excellent 17 Mai!
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April 26, 2004
Beer in Norway
A beer is probably an odd start to the day. Indeed, I have not enjoyed the breakfast of champions (leftover beer and a handful of chocolate chip cookies) since freshman year in college.
However, I feel compelled to share this random thought about beer and Norway. Beer holds a special place in Norwegian society. The first beer of the year taken outside when the weather is nice and taken with friends is a traditional and quite wonderful tradition. Still, with all that, the Norwegians Health Authorities are taking swift action to prevent a beer war. Retailers are lowering prices! Can't have that!
Social control over alcohol in Norway is very tight. Indeed, as a result of the high prices, every year or so someone dies from home brewing or wine making accidents -- usually from the bad hooch itself, not from the process of making it.
"The retailers cut the prices on some local beers to a point where only the state is making any money. The NOK 6.50 doesn't even cover taxes (which amount to NOK 6.61 on a 0.33-liter bottle), much less the cost of production or distribution. The retailers are absorbing the loss, figuring they'll make money elsewhere by luring customers into the stores. Norway has the highest beer taxes in Europe, equal to NOK 19.70 per liter. Denmark, by comparison, charges NOK 3.75 per liter."
And I used to jokingly refer to Norway as the land of the ten dollar beer.
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